Is it possible to have an honest opinion?
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doronjosama, I got to see this train wreck.
In this age of near-total-accessibility, is it possible to have honest opinions anymore?
When a celebrity goes on national television (news, the daily show, whatever) and expresses a controversial opinion, they pretty much get what they deserve, whether or not they are "right". That's the nature of opinions-- there will always be those who disagree. If you offer your opinion to the world then the world has a right to react.
Things get dicier when those opinions are expressed in more specialized venues -- from speeches made to specialized groups all the way down to a personal blog or facebook posting.
Scott Adams is right to take down his post (IMO). He wrote in a reply:
In this case, the content of the piece inspires so much emotion in some readers that they literally can’t understand it. The same would be true if the topic were about gun ownership or a dozen other topics. As emotion increases, reading comprehension decreases.
Once emotion becomes a driving force of a discussion, reason goes out the window. The more emotion, the less reason and vice versa. The marysue link above pretty much bears this out: in her own post and in the ensuing comment-storm, there is little interest in a rational discussion-- just baiting and snarling and screaming.
I'm even more eyebrow-raising at the site that re-posted the Adams entry :
Wow.
Just…wow.
You were a childhood hero of mine dude, and all my respect for you just died.
Not only because you wrote this load of shit, but then you deleted it like a coward when it made people angry.
Well done.
Really? Guy says something you disagree with and suddenly he's a non-person? Geez-- can you imagine having this person as a friend? Talk about high-maintenance. Like having a case of sweaty dynamite as a pal.
You'd think Adams advocated genocide or kicking puppies. What I got out of his original post was two things: first, don't waste your time and energy fighting battles that you have no interest in or which have no resolution. Second, Adams essentially says (and this is what shows me that most of the screaming is from emotional reaction, not reasonable thought): Guys whining over "male rights"? Get over yourselves. Life's not fair.
Adams -did- use bad analogies (bad=inflammatory). And he isn't a great communicator-- but that's kind of what he is (a admitted nerd). But, if you put his blog post in word balloons and had Dilbert saying them, most of these people would be laughing.
Personally, I -like- interesting people who share their opinions and thoughts. This gives me insight into their creative processes and I like that. I may disagree, or over time I may decide that I -don't- want to know more and stop following them-- but I would hate that they stop expressing themselves*. I consider them sharing their thoughts a privilege and something valuable. It would be bad if reactions like the one Adams received to cause them to self-censor or withdraw entirely. Who wants a world of carbon-copy, politically correct people?
*The same doesn't go for the thoughts and opinions of stupid people (though "stupid" is a subjective measure): the net makes it possible for anyone-- however idiotic-- to show their true selves to the world.
doronjosama, I got to see this train wreck. In this age of near-total-accessibility, is it possible to have honest opinions anymore?
When a celebrity goes on national television (news, the daily show, whatever) and expresses a controversial opinion, they pretty much get what they deserve, whether or not they are "right". That's the nature of opinions-- there will always be those who disagree. If you offer your opinion to the world then the world has a right to react.
Things get dicier when those opinions are expressed in more specialized venues -- from speeches made to specialized groups all the way down to a personal blog or facebook posting.
Scott Adams is right to take down his post (IMO). He wrote in a reply:
In this case, the content of the piece inspires so much emotion in some readers that they literally can’t understand it. The same would be true if the topic were about gun ownership or a dozen other topics. As emotion increases, reading comprehension decreases.
Once emotion becomes a driving force of a discussion, reason goes out the window. The more emotion, the less reason and vice versa. The marysue link above pretty much bears this out: in her own post and in the ensuing comment-storm, there is little interest in a rational discussion-- just baiting and snarling and screaming.
I'm even more eyebrow-raising at the site that re-posted the Adams entry :
Wow.
Just…wow.
You were a childhood hero of mine dude, and all my respect for you just died.
Not only because you wrote this load of shit, but then you deleted it like a coward when it made people angry.
Well done.
Really? Guy says something you disagree with and suddenly he's a non-person? Geez-- can you imagine having this person as a friend? Talk about high-maintenance. Like having a case of sweaty dynamite as a pal.
You'd think Adams advocated genocide or kicking puppies. What I got out of his original post was two things: first, don't waste your time and energy fighting battles that you have no interest in or which have no resolution. Second, Adams essentially says (and this is what shows me that most of the screaming is from emotional reaction, not reasonable thought): Guys whining over "male rights"? Get over yourselves. Life's not fair.
Adams -did- use bad analogies (bad=inflammatory). And he isn't a great communicator-- but that's kind of what he is (a admitted nerd). But, if you put his blog post in word balloons and had Dilbert saying them, most of these people would be laughing.
Personally, I -like- interesting people who share their opinions and thoughts. This gives me insight into their creative processes and I like that. I may disagree, or over time I may decide that I -don't- want to know more and stop following them-- but I would hate that they stop expressing themselves*. I consider them sharing their thoughts a privilege and something valuable. It would be bad if reactions like the one Adams received to cause them to self-censor or withdraw entirely. Who wants a world of carbon-copy, politically correct people?
*The same doesn't go for the thoughts and opinions of stupid people (though "stupid" is a subjective measure): the net makes it possible for anyone-- however idiotic-- to show their true selves to the world.
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Date: 2011-03-26 10:45 pm (UTC)Yes, yes I did. As I said so: Yeah, I get what he's doing- he's telling men to get over it. But I don't think he would write those things in the first place if he didn't agree with them. He didn't come across as disagreeing with men's rights. If he'd started out by saying "Men's Rights Activists, get over it." and then said what he said, maybe there wouldn't be such a furor.
I was under the impression that a woman who walks into a comic or games shop or a convention was treated like a goddess
Because that's better? Why can't women just be treated like human beings?
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Date: 2011-03-26 10:58 pm (UTC)Because that's better? Why can't women just be treated like human beings?
Hey, c'mon! I/we are geeks. If were weren't, we wouldn't be hanging around in comic shops. Most of us are nearly autistic compared to "average" people. That we don't start dooling and touching those women is something of a triumph.
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Date: 2011-03-26 11:03 pm (UTC)LOL, you're making geek woman sound like a bunch of Lennies.
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Date: 2011-03-26 11:07 pm (UTC)Some ethnic restaurants don't follow this, though. And in certain more chauvinistic countries, men are served first. I still remember an incident in Japan, at a brunch buffet. There was an American couple and a Japanese couple: the American man got up and got all of the food for both of them; the Japanese woman did the same. I was fascinated.
Okay, I may lose my geek license over this: what is a Lenny?!?
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Date: 2011-03-26 11:13 pm (UTC)Your brunch story is fascinating! I think I'd prefer to get my own food though. One thing I DID notice when I was a kid is that my dad would order for all of us in nice restaurants. We told him what we wanted and then he would tell the waiter. After a while it struck me as bizarre, and he doesn't do it anymore.
As for Lennie: from Of Mice and Men! :D